Seriously Spiritual

EP 1: Who the hell are we?

December 11, 2021 Kat Guthrie & Sophie Bauer Season 1 Episode 1
Seriously Spiritual
EP 1: Who the hell are we?
Show Notes Transcript

EP 1: Who the hell are we?

Today's topics:

  • We introduce ourselves and why we're starting this spirituality/psychic/crazy podcast
  • Kat and Sophie each discuss 5 major life events and themes that have shaped us
  • Why it might (or might not!) be worthwhile for you to listen to us yammer on about life, the universe, and everything


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Kat Guthrie:

Hello, everyone! Welcome to our introductory episode of the Seriously Spiritual podcast.

Sophie Bauer:

Hey guys, this is Sophie. I am literally so excited. Like, my whole body is jittery. I've been waiting so long to greet you all. This podcast has been incubating for the both of us for really quite some time. And it's it's a thrill to finally be here introducing ourselves and, and the podcast and yeah, Kat, hey.

Kat Guthrie:

Hi everyone! This is Kat. Yeah, so excited to be here. And that's all I have to say. No, I'm just kidding. But um, the this introductory episode is definitely like, Who the hell are we? And frankly, why should you listen to us, especially when you have so many different options for great podcasts out there. So I think that one of the reasons why you should listen to Sophie and I is because we're pretty weird. I mean, Sophie is like, beautiful, model gorgeous, and like, you know, just like, all kinds of amazing and I am just like, I'm just a really weird person. So at least that is what I'm told by everybody else. I think that I'm perfectly sane. But, you know, I think we offer some interesting perspectives about the world that most people don't really and can't really hold. And it's one of the reasons why we're interesting to listen to, because we do as much as we can to try and remove ourselves from the, from what everybody tells us should be true and what everybody else thinks is true. And we really try as hard as we can to come to the reality of what is universally true. Because oftentimes, universal truth does not line up super well to what everybody else says is true.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, absolutely. And I think really, like, what I'm most excited to bring to this experience in this container is just like, creating the opportunity for all of you to get your mind-holes just fucked up. And to just explore, like, all of the infinite possibilities and realities that are the universe and that are possible in our, in our lives and our human experience here. And yeah, so just like buckle up, we're gonna be talking about a lot of weird shit. And it's gonna be really fun and exciting and sometimes emotional, and like, super devastating. Because we're gonna be questioning, you know, pretty much pretty much everything that we've, we've lived and been told and been programmed up until this point. So yeah, it's gonna be fun. And like for me, I mean, I guess I'll talk a little bit about who I am. I am a woowoo, spiritual human, and there's more to that as well. I'm also a business and an energy coach, and I founded a 90-day methodology, which I call endearingly Online Entrepreneur Mastery. And I help spiritual entrepreneurs master their fears and their energy and learn how to take their business full time online using just social media. So I love to talk about business stuff. And I'm excited to share some in-depth trainings with you guys. And then with my time here, with Kat to just like blow open all of the amazing energetics and the spiritual things that we get into because it's a big part of my philosophy that you know, everything is connected. And the way that I've built my business in my life of a certain level of freedom is through all of this amazing energetics and crazy spiritual stuff. So that's kind of what I'm about. And I'm excited to break y'all out of the matrix.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah yeah, I love it, very cool.

Sophie Bauer:

Kat! Tell us about you. I want to learn about you. Oh, my God. Let's re-meet each other.

Kat Guthrie:

Thanks, Sophie, I'm so grateful for your invitation! Um, let's see. My name is Kat. I am the founder of Clairessence Healing. And Clairessence Healing is all about doing literally everything we possibly can to get the clearest, most translucent, least dense versions of ourselves, so that we can align ourselves as much as possible to universal truths. I got here through a series of deaths of the most important people in my life and physical illness. And I kind of found that, you know, throughout so many of the depressing, incredibly depressing moments in my life, kind of the only thing that really ever made me feel really good was, was pursuing some kind of spiritual belief system. And I grew up as an atheist and agnostic among a family of atheists and agnostics. So, we didn't really have that kind of religious or spiritual upbringing, so I kind of had to find it on my own. And what that has meant is that I have been relatively free of dogma or indoctrination in spiritual terms, doesn't mean I didn't get a lot of indoctrination from other places. But at least in that way, I have been joyously free of being told what is and isn't spiritual, which a lot of the times means that I am perfectly comfortable throwing away some nonsense, or adopting something that kind of breaks my brain open in ways that like, I don't want to admit that the world actually works this way, but turns out according to what I'm receiving for my information, it does. And, and so I really just try and stay true to the information that I am given by my spiritual guides, and try and figure out if I'm receiving that information, if it's coming to me, because it needs to come to me or if it's coming to me, because it's actually true. So my general premise for pursuing spirituality is "Trust nothing and question everything, regardless of its source." And, and I think that that is that that kind of thing is what I want to impart to all of my clients as well, just that process of questioning. Literally everything that you experience, think, feel. And, and through that process, you come to find the person that maybe you really are, instead of the person that you were told, or the person you've been carrying around with you. Instead, you just get to figure out what's really you.

Sophie Bauer:

Hell yeah, I love that. I love what you said about being joyously free of spiritual, like indoctrination. That might not have been exactly what you said. But the idea of that, and I really feel like that's kind of a big invitation for us here with this podcast is to just create this container of safety, to break free of everything, and just question it all, and explore everything and get curious and just try new perspectives and new practices and things on and just see what happens. Because I feel like that's the whole point. Like, the whole point of like, trying to pursue spirituality or healing or, you know, whatever it is, is really to just help improve the quality of this life iteration, you know. So this is, this is your invitation to let it all go. Like when you come into, when you press play on these podcasts, like, just allow yourself to let it all go and be curious and try on some new new ideas. And it's gonna be a hell of a party.

Kat Guthrie:

I love that Sophie, that's awesome. I wonder if you can share maybe like, five of the most transformational things that have happened for you in your life that have like made you who you are. Are you willing to share that?

Sophie Bauer:

Ahhh yeah, I love that so much. I literally wish I like would have wrote this down before. Yeah, like, pull it out of my out of thin air here. Well, um, let's see. So five things that made me who I am. Whoo. Well, this present moment is definitely one! No, I'll get a little Oh, I'll reveal some of my secrets for you all. So one of the most transformative things that really like catapulted, at least my spiritual exploration, was at the age of 16 my father passed away very, very suddenly. So it was completely unannounced, per se. And we had a, we had a really tight relationship. So that pretty much crumbled my entire family foundation and just like perspective of life. And it was like, oh shit, like, I'm that girl whose dad died. And it's like my entire identity shifted around that. And, you know, I had experienced a lot of like, just emotional abandonment and I needed to learn how to heal basically by myself, because the world around me wasn't supportive in helping me grieve, really and like, learn and grow through that experience. So that was like a huge catapult into activating all of pretty much my energy and my intuition and just learning how to self-heal. And I went down this whole rabbit hole of like, learning all kinds of different methodologies and modalities of healing and philosophy and spirituality and energetics. And yeah, I've pretty much just like been on that roller coaster since 16. So I would say that was both the greatest gift and the most devastating experience of my life, but it made me definitely who I am. So I'd say that's like number one on my list.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, that's a really good. Thank you for sharing that, um, sharing those intimate details with us.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, of course, like, I'll just say, like, Y'all like, nothing is really off limits for me here. Like, I'm just gonna pretty much you get the whole unveiled version of me here, I've got nothing to hide. I've got nothing to hide, and nothing you say can can really hurt me? So you know, go for it. I guess if you need to express yourself in that way. If you don't like what I say, but um, yeah, let's move. Let's move along. Um, no. The second thing is, um, man, I feel like, you know, growing up, I had a lot of permission to explore myself and explore my passions. I was, I was homeschooled, and my passions were in the arts and performing arts and visual arts and studio art. I spent a lot of my youth in my teen years in my early college years, just like trying different things. So I was a competitive dancer and a musical theater performer and a vocalist and I got into music, like more musicianship, and acting for film and in live production, and then I transitioned into circus arts. And it's like, I feel like being able to have that permission from my, from my family pod to like, do that really just, like built this foundation for me to be more curious about life, and really just like gave me that, that freedom to get into entrepreneurship as well. Because it's like, that's always been my passion is to just do things my own way. And to, to learn how to be self sufficient and express myself as authentically as I can in each moment. So I'd say that's number two. Yeah.

Kat Guthrie:

I love that. And you've had what, like seven businesses at this point? You are, how young, and you've had seven businesses?

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, so I'm 23, coming up on 24 in March, and yeah, I built seven businesses. I started my first one at the well, we could count my first business honestly, at like, age six was my like, lemonade stand at a, at a garage sale. But uh, you know, the passion started young. But um, my first official business, I was 16 and I started a photography business, and every single one of my businesses has been online, essentially. I mean, I've always been a service provider. But I really learned how to market using social media from the beginning. So yeah, yeah, I had the photography business, I had a costume design business, I had a choreography business for dance, and I was, you know, I was instructing and creating choreography. And then I was, I was learning how to market and sell myself as a performing artist, like actually, like, what do you call I guess, like freelance stuff, you know, but you know, I had my own brand and I was doing different performances for corporate and private events and... the others are fleeing me. That's my most my most recent one. My most recent one is is my coaching business now. And yeah, now I get to teach other aspiring entrepreneurs or beginning entrepreneurs to like just accelerate their, their business essentially And just finally, go online and be free of any systems to create their, their life of whatever it is they're dreaming of. But, you know, I would say, you know, that's number three, like, again, it kind of falls into expressing myself in all of my different passions of like, being able to do that through business and just I'm giving myself the permission to do it, to fail, to learn, to grow, to look stupid, and make mistakes and, and learn from that.

Kat Guthrie:

That's a huge deal. Giving yourself the space to experiment is like when I think one of the biggest gifts we can ever be given or give to ourselves.

Sophie Bauer:

Hmm, that is so true. It's so underrated, you know? Yeah, it's like, I guess for me like, that's, that's one of my biggest philosophies is that you don't learn from doing it right, you know? Because like, no lessons are revealed that you just sail through. It's like, your biggest teacher is, is all the failures and the mistakes and I think that's what makes me such a good teacher now. I've got a lot of failures to share with my students!

Kat Guthrie:

You know, I used to have I used to have a blog that I called Failure Is For Winners, so 100% on board with that.

Sophie Bauer:

No way! I had no idea that's what it was. Dude, that's amazing. So you're like literally on board like...

Kat Guthrie:

100%, 100%. You cannot win without failing, you just can't.

Sophie Bauer:

That's so good. I love that I'm learning about you right now. I want to try to surprise you with my last two, how can I surprise Kat right now?

Kat Guthrie:

Ooh, okay. Pull him out of the magic magician hat.

Sophie Bauer:

The magic magician hat of Sophie. Things that shaped me into who I am today. Hmm. Man, just like, oh, you know everything about me! That's literally the hard thing.

Kat Guthrie:

Don't tell me! Tell our audience.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah this is true. But I guess like, literally just trauma. Yeah, trauma has been like, my biggest learning curve and like, shaper of, of this creature that I call Sophie. Man, just like learning I would say, okay, a big thing is like learning to be my own rock, my own lover, my own support system, my own parents, like, just being my own everything. And, you know, that kind of happened throughout. I don't know, like, it's kind of been a practice throughout my whole life, you know, and in small and big ways. But the beautiful thing that comes out of that is that when you learn to do that, it creates so much space for other people to provide that for you. Because you already are that for yourself. You know?

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah. 100%.

Sophie Bauer:

So. I guess that's, that's kind of a thing that I've been working on throughout the years.

Kat Guthrie:

Kind of a side project I've got. You know, just one of my gigs, just, you know.

Sophie Bauer:

Side gigs! I just learned to be my everything. Oh my goddess. Um, yeah. And I'll say, you know, okay, I'll say my last thing. Art is a really big part of my life. And a really transformative chapter for me was I was accepted into one of the world's top circus universities, which is in Brussels, Belgium, and I spent a year there learning, training, struggling, suffering, loving, falling in love with myself and art and people and oh, my god, it was that was quite literally the most transformative year of my entire life. It was the it was the hardest and most beautiful years that like I could I could write a novel about it. In fact, I literally have, like a private journal, but

Kat Guthrie:

See I didn't know that! That's cool.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh, yeah, that is cool. Yeah, I have like at least 200 pages of just like my experience there and just all kinds of insane moments and magical blips in time and just, it brings me back. man, brings me back. But so much suffering! Like I don't I don't want to roll over that. It challenged me in all the levels emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally, like, woof, that was a catapult, that was another spiritual awakening.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah as any good awakening does right? Just smacks you straight in the face.

Sophie Bauer:

Straight in the face.

Kat Guthrie:

Well, that's an excellent list Sophie, thank you so much for sharing with us.

Sophie Bauer:

Thank you for listening. Thank you for creating that space for me to to relive my life. Takes me back man, takes me back.

Kat Guthrie:

Word.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah. And now I want to learn about you. Tell us Kat, what are your five moments or events in life that have made you who you are.

Kat Guthrie:

Moments, events, um, I thought of my five pretty immediately and there may be less moments or events and more like themes if that's cool with you. First theme is that -

Sophie Bauer:

I love themes, let's talk all about themes.

Kat Guthrie:

Let's talk about our themes. First theme is that my family moved to Vienna, Austria, when I was four, my dad had a job working for the UN, the United Nations, which, you know, as an organization is a very, very interesting place. And I went to an international school, I grew up around kids from all over the world. And it was really pretty amazing way to grow up, I have to say. Vienna is still to this day, one of like the top five cities in the world in terms of like livability, so

Sophie Bauer:

Ooh, I didn't know they were still reigning that, that's cool.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh, they've been number one on many lists for a long, long time. So it's very depressing to not be there anymore, but it's okay. It's just for the rest of my life.

Sophie Bauer:

You're gonna get there, you're gonna get back there.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, someday. So that was a pretty amazing way to grow up. Then when I turned 11, my dad lost his job, my parents got separated, became separated, and we moved back to the United States and my dad had like a mental breakdown. So that was like the, the big schism, you could say, between the life that I had known before and the life that came after. That was really my first kind of point of trauma, you could say.

Sophie Bauer:

That's young too to, like, be experiencing all of that.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, good times.

Sophie Bauer:

Damn, girl, you are a fucking warrior. I just want you to know that I admire you so much for what you've experienced in your life. Like, I'm just gonna shower you in a little love. But especially to be that young and to be who you are today, like, damn, girl. I'm proud of you, I'm proud to have you as my friend.

Kat Guthrie:

Well, thank you. And also, you know, I mean, it was definitely something that my soul wanted to again, be catapulted into trauma, and to figure out how to heal from it. So when we, you know, I had always loved music, when I was a little kid and everything. But when we came to America, music ended up being like, the kind of way that I really, really understood how to enjoy my life in America. Because when I was a little kid growing up overseas, you know, you were like, Oh, my God, I'm from America, America is the greatest place ever. And then you move here under extremely challenging circumstances, and you're like, This place sucks. So, so I really found my way into community, I found my way into some joy and hope, through performing in music. And eventually I went to college and got two degrees in music performance and vocal performance. And I had a career as a contemporary opera and musical theater performer for 10 years. I had a great career, got to do lots of really cool things, got to work with amazing musicians.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, I also don't want to steamroll over that, like you are like low-key kind of a celebrity. So like.

Kat Guthrie:

Lol, no.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, you are. You're an opera celebrity in my eyes, my friend.

Kat Guthrie:

I don't think anybody in the opera community would agree with you. But thank you very much. You're welcome. Oh, I'm just happy that I got to work with amazing people, like just my absolute idols. I got to work at the top of my game with people that I really, really valued. And that was way better way, way better than ever, ever having to become famous or anything like that, because fame? Is not...

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, fame is a lie. Fame is a lie. But but I am saying that you're fucking amazing. And you kind of are famous.

Kat Guthrie:

Lolz. Thank you, Sophie, I appreciate you. So then, during my singing career, it just started to take off in a really big way, about six months before my husband passed away. So he committed suicide. He had been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, which is like a combination of schizophrenia and some kind of depressive disorder. And that obviously, was pretty much the worst thing in my life up to that point, which is saying something because nine years before that my father passed away from lung cancer. So these two big events are, these two, these two big deaths are pretty much the the awakening opportunities that I had initially in my life to, to kind of start dealing with my trauma. When my dad died and I was 19, I really like, I didn't have a framework for how I was supposed to mourn because I didn't have a spiritual background of any particular kind. My family didn't have a spiritual background, and I was in my first my freshman year of college. And, and so the way that I really kind of figured out how to mourn was through music. Again, I spent a lot of time crying in music, practicing and practicing by myself crying, sad, sad songs.

Sophie Bauer:

That is so beautiful.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah. Well, you know, it was the tool that I had.

Sophie Bauer:

Really though, that's gorgeous.

Kat Guthrie:

Thanks. Yeah, it was, it was a path. But at the same time, I was also incredibly angry, incredibly sad. All of my friends who were friends with me at that time, I love you all so much for putting up with me. And but you know, it took me like a solid five years to really mourn my dad to begin with. And even then, like I hadn't, I didn't have the tools to let go of the trauma, I really didn't. So when my husband passed nine years later, when I was 28, I really felt like I had to do it differently that time. I had to figure out why these horrible things kept happening in my life, I had to figure out all of the trauma, I had to figure out what to do with it all because I had been in and out of therapy since the time I was 11. And, and nothing ever really like worked for me, I could like act my way out of it. Or I could tell the therapists what they wanted to hear. I never, no one really called me to action. No one really actually showed me how to change. So until, until I met my most amazing therapist in Core Energetics, Sherri Brown, for anybody who is looking, no, she has no time for for new clients. She's just the most incredible person. And she, she changed my life, she gave me the tools that I needed to start healing my trauma. And I was with her for, I think two or two and a half or three years, when I, um, all of a sudden was hit with some kind of autoimmune illness, which to this day, I'm pretty sure was mold exposure, toxic mold exposure, combined later with like a stroke, and a couple of other things on top of that. So I'm still at this point recovering from that illness. And that's kind of number five on the list of these amazing awakening moments. Because in this, this, when this illness happened to me, at the height of it, there were like 22 hours a day where I was in bed, just practically comatose. I had like no brain to speak of, I couldn't even stand up most of the time. It was just a really, really horrible experience. And, and it forced me to not only reckon with the emotional healing that I was doing in therapy, but address literally everything else in my life, every physical ailment, every physical choice I was making, every food I was eating, every exercise I was doing. And it really pushed me into working through energy medicine, because all of a sudden, Core Energetics, the type of therapy I loved was too intense for me, because you had to do big physical movements, and I didn't have the strength to do that anymore. So I had to start investigating other more gentle ways of healing a body energetically, spiritually, things like that. And so, and it was really going along that path that has led me to where I was where I am today. And understanding that, that spirituality is, as it turns out, fucking awesome. But only when you're, you're doing it in a way that makes sense to you, you know. If somebody else is telling you how you're supposed to do it, you know, pretty much 100% of the time it's, it's, you know, it's gonna give you a different sense of what your actual spirituality is, because there is no one size fits all for anybody, you know? And so, I really just, I have had to stick to my own sense of what is right for me. And, and I'm so glad that I've had that opportunity because that's really my illness gave me that opportunity, forced me into that opportunity to really just ignore what everyone else was telling me was true and false and just experiment and see what worked. So yeah, so those are my five things: Austria, music, two deaths, and my illness.

Sophie Bauer:

Hmm, wow, Kat, you're amazing. Thank you for sharing all of that, like, every time like every... Oh, it's so funny because like, I know you're amazing but like every time we talk about our journeys, it just like highlights again of like, how fucking incredible you are. And like, it's so like, and it's, it's, it's so interesting because just kind of sharing all of this together, it's like, we've really experienced a lot of like similar things through a different lens.

Kat Guthrie:

Dead dads club, woooo!

Sophie Bauer:

The dead dads club! You know, but like, you know, both living in Europe at different times and experiencing weird culture shifts, and, you know, both experiencing a lot of physical ailments and systems and needing to just like, literally re-evaluate and reconstruct the way that we consumed and did everything and being involved in like performing arts and it's just like, it's so crazy. Like, I don't know, it's amazing. It's amazing when life does that, you know?

Kat Guthrie:

It is! Well, you know, I mean, it's, it's, I think it's a wonderful thing that that we have both, from a higher perspective, constructed these lives that have basically forced us to wake up in every possible way, have given that, maybe not forced is the right word, but we have been given very strong invitations to to really assess who we are, and and what we want out of life. And I, you know, I do think that everybody in general, is given these opportunities, but whether people take them or not, is a different story, you know, and we are, I think just we have been supported in our lives -- and when I say supported, I don't necessarily mean by like, people encouraging us, I mean, sometimes by people like deliberately telling us No, that we have been encouraged in this way to pursue our own healing and our own growth. I think a lot of the time both of us have really fought against being told No, rather than, you know, being encouraged.

Sophie Bauer:

You're damn straight.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah. But, you know, I mean, that that's just as much an invitation to growth as anything else is, um, you know. Just because you are part of a wonderful loving family, who gives you every opportunity to explore who you are, doesn't necessarily mean that everybody is going to come out in the same place on the same side when all of that is over. So I think it's kind of like this is not exactly equal opportunity, but like, we're all given paths to, to grow and to learn. And it just depends on whether you're willing to take them or not, you know.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I feel like, it's, it's interesting, because, like, when I look around at people that I interact with, or that are a part of my life, and I see these windows of opportunity for growth, or healing, or just like a massive wake up call, to shift or to question everything, and it's like, those who choose to take it and to not take it, it's like, I've been kind of having my own process of like, noticing the differences between those people. And it's like, for us, I feel like, we've had this deeper connection or awareness, to our, to greater meaning in life, you know, and it's like, we've had this, this desire and call to action, essentially, to create a deeper meaning in our life, and to transmute all of the challenges and to rise above and to create the things that we dream of, you know, in a kind of an ethereal sense, like, despite all of it.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think I don't exactly understand what it is about us in particular that has like, motivated us to do this. Except for the fact that you know, I mean, I do think like you you being homeschooled, I really I think has given you so much mental flexibility, right, of just being able to make your own decisions for yourself, but at the same time, there's just something inherently about you and where you are in your developmental journey as a soul that that has has told you that this is the time, this is the place, these are the things to do. So, I don't exactly know what it is about. You know, what we brought in from our previous lives or whatever, but, but I think we have taken those opportunities to grow and change more than a lot of people. And there's, there's literally, there's no judgement as to when or where or how people take those opportunities. They take them whenever they're ready, and no sooner than that. And that's all okay, that's, that's more than okay. But I think that what Sophie and I are really looking for in creating this podcast is finding other people who are like us, who, really, who are totally committed to finding meaning in their lives in a really deep and passionate way through spirituality. Because, like, you know, I think that there are, there are a lot of religions that make you feel like you're finding that and if that's the way that you want to go, absolutely, go for it. But but we won't, I'm at least I'm, I speak for Sophie, no. I am really looking for for more than one spiritual friend, or more than three spiritual friends because I have three. I'm really looking for a community of people who are willing to deep dive into all of this to ask the really hard questions, which doesn't just include like, you know, how do I meditate? Or, you know, what, what spiritual beings should I talk to about my stuff, but it includes, like conspiracy theories, you know, it includes ghosts, it includes the chupacabra, you know, like all of this weird stuff. And it involves mythology and elves. And like, I want to find people -- aliens, let's not forget the aliens! Most important thing. Like all of this stuff, I want to find people who ask the really deep questions. Because I haven't found too many people like that yet in my life, who are both committed to the spiritual loving path, as well as are committed to finding these really deep, weird truths. Sophie, what about you?

Sophie Bauer:

Yes, yes. No, that was that was said so well, about committing to the loving spiritual path and searching for the, the truths, the deep truths and the hard questions. And, yeah, I mean, I would agree, like, my intention really, is to create a container and a space for community to, to grow, and to almost even, like, create a new way of what community can look like. In that, you know, we're all learning and growing from each other. And, of course, to create this, like haven, you know, for my students, or future students and friends and, and soul family, and, you know, whatever it be like this is... My intention here is to create that space for everyone to be to

Kat Guthrie:

It is, it's all just the practice of be welcome and to have that container for self-expression and exploration and connection. And, yeah, I want to say too like, a little bit circling back to what you were saying about, like, no judgment on either path that you take, whether it's like the one the higher, the higher road, quote unquote, of like growth and healing, or to remain in a cycle or a challenging situation. And it's like there are, there's so much validity in both paths. And I have consciously and unconsciously chosen both many, many, many times. You know, there's, there's so much there's, there's value in both. And I think, like, with the podcast, like how that ties into the podcast, is it's like, we want to share the tools and the stories and the journeys, in which we've chosen to consciously grow through our experiences. And to just make that choice available for you all too if you choose to take it and, you know, if you do, awesome, like, welcome to the party, but if not, like that's cool, too. Like, I wish you all the best, whatever path you're choosing, like, it's valid, it's important. discernment. And I think hopefully, we'll say this enough on the podcast, but if we say anything, and it does not resonate for you, throw it out. It like it truly does not matter. This is like the most important work of our lives. And also it doesn't matter like one bit. So you know.

Sophie Bauer:

The duality, yeah.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah so take it take it or leave it and that's wonderful. It really is. It's all just a process of figuring out the truth and not, no one of us has the corner on truth, god knows, none of us do. So we're all just trying to figure out who we are and what the universe is and hopefully having a good time while we do it. And a lot of miserable times too, because that's how you learn.

Sophie Bauer:

The dark humor, yeah, absolutely. I feel like I feel like that's like a such a beautiful energy that we both bring to this and that like Kat is a master of dark humor, it's fucking amazing and I love it. It's delicious. And then I'm just like fairy girl over here like Oh my god let's just sing and make a musical, and have a fairy tale reality and I'm just like four years old over here in a ball gown.

Kat Guthrie:

But I need that I need that energy so much! So it's beautiful balance, I think.

Sophie Bauer:

It is. It's a fun time. It is a good time. And that's the whole point. We just want to have a goddang party here with you all. So thank you for taking the invitation. And yeah, we're excited to have you here.

Kat Guthrie:

We're so excited. Thank you all so much for listening. And well hopefully you'll come back for another episode sometime soon. Come on back y'all!

Sophie Bauer:

Come on back y'all! Or hear, hear you next time. What the, what the fuck.

Kat Guthrie:

We'll cut it out. No, it's staying in! Bye, everyone.

Sophie Bauer:

Bye, everyone. We love you.