Seriously Spiritual

EP 4: Thought forms, a.k.a. "ghosts"

December 12, 2021 Kat Guthrie & Sophie Bauer Season 1 Episode 4
Seriously Spiritual
EP 4: Thought forms, a.k.a. "ghosts"
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Today's topics:

  • Why ghosts = thought forms and why Kat's guides describe them as the "original Artificial Intelligence"
  • How thought forms are created through trauma, fear, pain, necessity, and more
  • Stories of some of our own thought forms that we've known, healed, and (eventually) loved

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Kat Guthrie:

Hello, everybody, welcome to another episode of the Seriously Spiritual podcast.

Sophie Bauer:

Welcome back to the magical land of self discovery.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh my god.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh, sorry.

Kat Guthrie:

I'm embarrassed for you, no I'm kidding.

Sophie Bauer:

That's ok, I'm embarrassed for me too.

Kat Guthrie:

Fantastic, perfect way to start it off. Let's see. Well, uh, yeah, so today's topic, the thing that we're going to talk about is thought forms.

Sophie Bauer:

Boom baby, we're gonna blow your frickin mind.

Kat Guthrie:

And we call them thought forms because that is what my, my spirit team told me their actual name was before they told me what they actually were, which is our name of ghosts, that they are truly thought forms. Because ghosts are literally made of thoughts. They are what my team has called the original artificial intelligence. Sophie, do you want to talk about why that is and the purpose they serve?

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, for sure. So basically, what happens is a thought form is formed when there is I guess you could say, like, an, could you say like, an emotional trigger of like, a trauma or just like, a desire or a need that you personally experience and then it manifests as almost it's like, its own being outside of you. So it's like, we kind of birth like, spiritual beings. Yeah, which are thought forms. And then yeah, like Kat said, they, they are what most people refer to as ghosts. And, as far as the purpose they serve, I mean, it's, oof, it's definitely individual to the thought form. But in my personal experience, there's always some kind of a lesson that I'm to learn from them, or there's some kind of healing opportunity for myself, so that they actually dissolve, in essence. Would you say your experience is similar? Or how that's been for you?

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah absolutely. And I think it's, you know, dissolve, it's not that they like literally disappear, like, into nothingness, it's, it's like, they dissolve and the energy that was them is absorbed back into you. Because you are the creator being you are the one that has this, this essence of divinity in you, right, that is how you are a creator being and with your creative abilities, you create this thought form externalization of some part of you for for whatever reason. And then in order for the thought form to be to be healed or to be resolved or dissolved as dissolved, as Sophie said, it needs to be reunited with its with its creator source, the source energy, it's a kind of like the same thing where we talk about soul fragmentation. It's a fragment of your, of your Creator essence that you have put into being and it needs to be reabsorbed back into you.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, yeah. And the reason that you can see, you know, those of us who can see or communicate with, with these thought forms the reason that there are so many of them is because not a lot of people are aware or conscious of the fact that they are aspects of themselves. So that when people do pass on or die, you know, their their human body dies. These thought forms are kind of trapped here in this in this dimension and on earth, and they're not able to be healed or resolved. I like that word resolved until they're able to find their their original soul. So.

Kat Guthrie:

Yep, yeah, absolutely. So that's when you when you get into the idea of like, helping ghosts to crossover or whatever, you know, that that all of those shows about crossing over the concept of crossing over a soul is really about helping it transition into non being so that it can be re- and reunited with its creator soul. And so you can do that either like when the creator soul is alive, and it's the original like person who creates another version of themselves if that thought form is healed or resolved or whatever it can go back into the original creator soul during that life. Otherwise, if you then you die and you need to be reincarnated, reincarnated, the thought form has to find its way back to the original creator soul who is now in a different body. Or sometimes if the creator soul hasn't yet, reincarnated, you can help it cross over to reunite with that original creator soul wherever it is in spirit.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, yeah, word, actually, that just like that inspired me to be curious about if there are any thought forms from my past lives that I have yet to encounter. Because I haven't actually done a lot of that work. All the thought form work that I've done is like my current thought forms from like this lifetime. So I guess I have some homework some home play to do.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah. My guides are saying that yes, there are. There are and you'll meet them whenever you're ready.

Sophie Bauer:

Cool. Can't wait, can't wait to meet them.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh, my god, I get to meet all my ghosts. Yeah. Sorry. thought forms. We don't like I don't like the word ghosts. People get so scared of the concept of ghosts. And I mean, like, yeah, like, thought forms can be scary, right? Because like, Ah, so terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, when you're externalizing a part of yourself, you usually don't do it because you're chill with that part of yourself. You know, there's something about that aspect of you that is painful or problematic to you in some way where you feel like it needs to be outside of you in order to get a better handle on it. So like, you know, I've had thought forms from other lives that are like, really intense, because my life was so intense at that period that like I needed to kind of get some of that intensity basically out of my body. I could not hold it all inside my physical form. But they can be you know, thought forms that get created through pain that can be created through necessity, sometimes, even through like fun. Like, one of our favorite thought forms who we may or may not have talked about in episodes up to this point.

Sophie Bauer:

We're gonna tell the whole thing, Disco Jesus! We love him. Let's just like, let's just talk about this guy for a minute. Okay, he'll love it. He's like, entering the space now. I'm seeing him he just like pulled back the curtain to have like this grand reveal. Like, he whipped out the stripper pole and he delivered his best life. So okay, I guess we should just explain ourselves here. Yeah. Disco Jesus is the thought form that we met, while Kat was visiting me in Costa Rica. And it came about because we were, we were walking back from the farmers market one day, and we were like, Hey, let's have like, a party with all our spiritual guides and friends. And we can invite Jesus too and all of a sudden, this guy who looks like Jesus pops up and he's like, Hey, girls, like, let's do it. Let's have a party. And we were both like, wow, there was a lot of sexual energy coming from this guy. This is new. Like, we usually don't experience Jesus through that lens.

Kat Guthrie:

Except that like, sometimes I kind of do because at least when I first started connecting with Jesus, in the beginning, I like, I would know that it was him because like, my whole body would get a little hot might get a little flustered. And be like, I did not know that Jesus was gonna have this kind of effect on me. But it was because he was embodying that divine masculinity so beautifully that I was like, Whoa, this is awesome. So for me Disco Jesus showing up with like, an excess of sexual energy, I was like, this is normal.

Sophie Bauer:

100% Yeah, like at first we were like, alright, yeah, this is Jesus. Like let's go let's have a party. And then time goes on. And he's like, all of a sudden he's got this like, I'm seeing this like, like really groovy like patterned rainbow button up shirt. He's like, I'm buttoning a shirt. And then all of a sudden he's like, doing his like Magic Mike dance and grinding and I'm like, hold on a second, sir. I don't think this is actually Jesus, what's going on?

Kat Guthrie:

The way he started talking was just so like, oh, yeah, ladies you want to do and it was like, Whoa, no, dude, wait. I don't think Jesus is that turned on by me. Like just just, I don't think that's a self worth thing either. I think that's just like a baseline.

Sophie Bauer:

So baseline. Yeah. So that just that led us to question Who is this man who has this beautiful long hair and rippling abs and pectorals? Is this really Jesus? And we've discerned no it was not, this Disco Jesus is a thought form. Tada!

Kat Guthrie:

And so like he's a really good example of when you get a thought form that's created not necessarily out of pain, although it very well could have been okay, apparently it is, according to my my team very much so. But it's kind of like the pain of not fitting in, right. So like, you. He's, he's such a groovy, cool, sexy hip guy, you know. And from the sounds of it, it sounds like he was probably created sometime during the sexual revolution in the 70s. And, and this externalized thought form is almost like, an idealized version of who the person who created it wanted themselves to be. So that like, when he goes to a party, all he really needs to do is be influenced by this thought form. And then all of a sudden, he can be the life of the party that he wants to be, you know, it's almost like putting on another hat kind of, or letting the thought form be the one that like, you know, is whispering in your ear telling you to make the crazy decisions that a crazy party guy would make?

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, 100% it's like that angel devil analogy thing, you know, where you got the angel and the devil on your shoulder. It's like pretty much that like, you know, Disco Jesus would just come along and help this dude out and unfortunately, he's been separated from his his ah birth soul I guess you could call it.

Kat Guthrie:

I like it.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah. Disco Jesus isn't ready to to be united again and healed. So he just kind of hangs out on my porch now and does a pole dances for me and Oh, god, he's whipping out the fog machine now.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh, my God. He just gets better and better.

Sophie Bauer:

The fog machine and the disco lights. And he's just putting on a show for y'all. For those of you who who have your sight on like, I would love to know what you are seeing right now because this is this is quite the event.

Kat Guthrie:

He was just like, I love you ladies. This is the greatest party of my life.

Sophie Bauer:

I love you ladies. Oh, the shiny Speedo is on. Oh my god.

Kat Guthrie:

Well thank goodness it's on and not off. You know, it's it's gonna get hot in there.

Sophie Bauer:

Please. Calm down just a little. Oh, my goodness.

Kat Guthrie:

So we love Disco Jesus. He's a fun thought form. Yeah, but like Sophie said, he doesn't feel like he wants to be reunited with his original soul yet. And that's, that's okay. You know, there's he's not really hurting anybody. So, you know, he can kind of float around here as long as he wants, or you know, his creator soul also has the option, wherever it is, whenever it is to call back all of its fragments of being called back all of its thought forms whenever it gets around to that work.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So in the meantime, I mean, he's not doing any harm. I just, I have my boundaries. He's not allowed in my apartment. But he can he can. Oh, whatever. He's entertaining. I let him hang out on my porch.

Kat Guthrie:

I can't wait until I have my sight.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh my God, dude, you're gonna freak out. It's gonna be so funny. He's just like, he literally is like the quintessential vision of Jesus, like, just fit like long flowy surfer hair, but like then he's got this like disco vibe. And he's just, yeah. Very much overly in his sexual drive. It's it's a party.

Kat Guthrie:

Wow, I love it. Whoever his creator soul is, thank you for the gift of Disco Jesus.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah thank you for creating this man. I am grateful. Good times.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, so that's one of our favorite examples.

Sophie Bauer:

That is one of our favorite examples and something that's like kind of along the same same lines of like, I guess like for me, I kind of like to think of him as like a personality, like enhancement thought form. I had one actually that I was I was intentionally working with for a while. And she came to me as like, she was basically this winged goddess. And it was this, she was basically a representation of how I wanted to be able to embody my contained sexuality in the fact, and what I mean by that is like just being seen so empowered and rooted and grounded in her sexuality. But it's not like spewing out everywhere. So it's just like she was just this regal, like, oh, just like sexy woman, always like she was always naked, just like in her wings, just like flaunting her stuff. But it wasn't like it wasn't in the sense of like Disco Jesus, how he's like, I would say he's leaky sexuality, where it's just like, he's just spilling it out everywhere, you know? So anyway, I had, I was intentionally working with her for a while, up until actually, just as last week, I was going through one of one of my deep healing journeys, I was just like, really in in one of my processes for a week straight. And it just came up to the point where it was like, oh, okay, I'm, like, actually ready to heal this and integrate those Integrate, it sounds like. aspects into my body now. And it's so interesting, because it's like, she actually dissolved, and the aspects of her that were helpful, that are helpful for me now, like, like, returned back into my body, and other aspects that were more like, kind of formed out of trauma or, like distress, literally just kind of like evaporated. It was a really interesting experience. And now like, it's so weird, like, I experience myself in a different way now, especially when I think of like, myself through the lens as like a sexual being is like, it's not. It's not externalized in the way that I had experienced myself before. It's more, it's innate. It's rooted and grounded in that, and it's it's contained, like, that's really the best way that I can can put it like, it's uh.. Integrated. Absolutely. Yeah. It's, it's really, it's an amazing feeling. And, and it's so funny, because I was like, I will never heal this goddess, like, I love working with her. I love having her around. And it's like, I went through this whole, like, process of healing. And it was like, no, like, I'm ready. Like, let's fucking heal this thing. And just like, be that in a new way, in a healed way. Yeah, I mean, even though she was helpful, like, it was still a trauma response, essentially, you know?

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, well, it's exactly the same way that you know, being an empath, right, it's a it's can be a useful tool, but it's created out of trauma. So, it can be, you know, working with that externalized version of yourself, especially when you're still alive, it can be so useful, right? Because you're able to, like, see this aspect of yourself from the outside, which is sometimes much easier to deal with. Because, you know, if it's just a part of you, you're like, well, it's just fucking me, you know, but if it's us, it appears to you as a separate being with its own separate thoughts and needs, you can address it, it's it's also like I'm being reminded of like, when people do inner child work, right, you speak to your inner child as if it is a different part of you, even though it is entirely you. But just having another face or another voice to communicate with about the problem that you're facing can be so helpful.

Sophie Bauer:

Hmm, yeah, absolutely. 100% I really liked the way that you you just like spelled it out of more like it's a it's like a mirror, you know, it's a mirror to the things that that are needing attention. And they're like, yeah, they're like invitations to healing when you're, when you're at that point, and you're ready for that.

Kat Guthrie:

Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, that's like there are so many different types of trauma thought forms that you can create, in your, in your pain you can learn from like, I remember a thought form that I had, who I didn't know about for very long before I healed it. But in in my memory, it looked like Agent Smith from The Matrix. And just like, you know, it was a super intense part of me, just like black glasses, like very in charge, just straight to the point no bullshit from anybody, I'm going to wreck you kind of thing. And that was very much like how I had to function or how I felt like I had to function for a good portion of my life because I had been through so much trauma and pain and loss and everything. And when and it was also invincible, right. That's one of the things about Agent Smith totally and completely invincible to the point of a virus that over almost overtakes the entire world. And when I started working with that thought form to heal it very quickly, I was able to have it reimagine itself as what it actually was, which was like a five year old boy, just a five year old boy that was crying, it was lost, and just needed some attention and help. And I don't. It appeared to me as Agent Smith. And it was a thought form from this life. But honestly, it could have come from probably any of the other lives that I've lived too as a useful again, mirror for the types of trauma that I was looking at. And so once I figured out what the little boy needed to feel, to feel safe, it was basically that a need, he needed to feel safe, he needed to feel loved, and he needed a hug. So I went over and I hugged him. And as I held him, he dissolved in my arms and, and was integrated back into my body and the trauma part of it, the trauma was cleared away and the soul part of it was integrated. Have you had other trauma thought forms? Sorry, go ahead.

Sophie Bauer:

No, it's fine. I'm just like saying like, it's such a beautiful process of like, healing these thought forms. And like, I, most of my thought form work is actually with like, my thought forms created out of deep trauma. And I'll say for like those ones, it's almost always, they're just a scared little boy or girl who just need love. And, like this is, this is where I feel like there's almost a sense of empowerment, when it comes to working with any kind of entities, not even just thought forms, but like, anything that is acting out of fear, or hate, or anger, whatever it is, it's like there's really just a small child looking for love. And it's such a beautiful and emotional experience anytime that I heal a thought form that was created through my own trauma. Because it's like, I get to just sit there with that with that, you know, little girl and just give her what she needs. And, you know, for me, usually it's like, oh, she just wants to like, put on a ball gown and go play in the woods or like have a tea party with the fairies or, you know, just be held and like, just be put in her childhood bed with her blankets and be read a story too like, you know, it's just, it's a really intimate way to do your healing. But yeah, I don't know. But like, I guess my point is, there is like, before it gets to that beautiful point, like they're usually really terrifying creatures, like, just looking really disheveled and chaotic, and, like, possessed and just just really icky and terrifying energies. And it's it's a big, like, current lesson lesson in courage to be able to summon your own love and approach that so grounded in your own love to be able to do the healing, you know, because it's like, Man, I look back on like, who I used to be like, before I was really grounded in like, my spiritual practices. And it's like, I wouldn't have been able to do that before man. I was like shaking in my boots. I couldn't like oh my god, they can be so terrifying. But um, I don't know now that I've just created this rhythm of like, how I do the healing it's like, I just come at it from love and it's just this really beautiful process.

Kat Guthrie:

That's awesome. And you know, it's it's such a great opportunity for you too as, as the creator soul, because you have this next opportunity for healing. So it automatically like it's, it's asking more of you to heal through love, right? You create through pain and you heal it through love. And every time you have an opportunity to heal something, you get better and better at it. Not only are you more and more healed, but you get better and better at the actual healing itself.

Sophie Bauer:

Yes. Yeah, it's like a quicker turnaround, almost like, I feel like when I first started doing thought form healings, like I would have to go back in and like check on them every few days. And like it would take like a couple of weeks until they would fully kind of resolve the traumas and integrate the parts back into me and now it's like, five minutes, you know, identify them I'm like, Okay, what do y'all need? Just tell me what you need. Let's give it to you. And then it's like, okay, you get down to the root, they shift like almost immediately I can see the the physical change and then it's transmuted so that's a really good point of like, really any kind of practice that you do like, the more that you practice, the easier it gets and the more proficient you get.

Kat Guthrie:

Absolutely. Yeah, you know, thought forms can also be an issue of self worth, and the first thought form that I ever really dealt with. And I feel like in general, trauma, trauma always has an impact on our self worth, right. So like, the, the first thought form that I was ever really called to deal with in a way that I was aware of, was this queen thought form. According to what I discovered in the akashic records, according to what I was working through with my guides at the time, I was Princess Margaret Tudor, of the house of Tudor in England, who later became Queen Margaret of Scotland just for a couple of years. And I know this is like a fucking nightmare story to me to be like, I, the first thing I did was open up my akashic records, and oh, my God, I was the queen. You know, like, I just, I was so mortified that this was the first thing that showed up for me, because like, as far as I was concerned, I've just been a peasant and like, every single life, you know, so. So in learning more about this thought form and learning to heal her and working with other healers, who saw her and were like, oh, no, she's really intense. I like I had to deal with a lot of issues of my own self worth, because she had her own trauma or her own reasons for having been created, there was a lot of child abuse, a lot of sexual abuse in that life. And so that queen needed to externalize some version of her, because it was just too much to hold. But for me being in this life, dealing with a thought form, who was both intense in a way that I understood because I'm kind of an intense person, but also, for her to have been a queen to have been royalty was a real mindfuck of self worth, because no part of me thought that I could be worthy enough to, to have ever been given a life where I was something like a queen not to mention a Tudor who I have been obsessed with the Tudors for literally my entire life. Again, that's a that's a solid indication that there is some best past connection there. But like, you know, it was, it was a really big deal and a really embarrassing deal to, to be given that as kind of the first thought form that I that I worked through, but then also, you know, it was a great opportunity to take a look at these issues of child abuse of sexual abuse and later to realize that the Tudor family was probably seriously influenced by slash were maybe are dark aliens. And so, you know, kind of coming to terms with the fact that like, oh my god, you know, there was this self worth issue of understanding that she was a queen, but it's not like my guides had me deal with her now where I have the understanding that she would have been a dark alien of some kind. Instead, they had me deal with the self worth issues, first of the queenliness of the all of the different types of abuse and now with more time, I'm able to see that one of the reasons why I was that thought form was because I wanted to like birth myself into a life where I was one of these aliens and see if I could change the family line. I did not do a good job. Yeah.

Sophie Bauer:

Damn, that is a chunk to bite off, my friend.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, yeah.

Sophie Bauer:

Good for you for like, man, like bowing down like literally, like, that's, that is a crazy, like responsibility to attempt. That's amazing Kat.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, it was. I don't think I did it, though. That's the problem.

Sophie Bauer:

I know but even to just step up to the plate and be like, I'm gonna try. Like, that's insane. That's amazing.

Kat Guthrie:

Thank you. Well, you know, it's also a good example of the idea that the really when we'll get into time dynamics another time but you know, the, it's the idea that like that queen life, whatever version of me is slash was that queen is living that at that time, so as I heal that thought form for the queen in that life, her life is going to change as a result of that thought form being integrated back into our larger version. So it's very much something that that you do not only yourself, but for your past life, because your past life is being experienced in this now, by that version of you so. So when you heal, you're healing yourself, you're healing the other versions of you as well, which is really something I'm only starting to get into now. But the idea of working as a collective with your oversoul group and healing kind of all of the lives at the same time, so when you're healing a thought form for one of you, you're healing for all of you.

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I'll say too like, as far as like, healing through time, like, all even, I'm able to see when I heal the ones, at least from this lifetime, like, the aspect of me, or like the time stamp, I guess, when it was created, like, I'll be able to see that, like being healed back then, you know, 10, 15 years ago. It's really wild, because it's almost like, it's like a reconfiguration of like, the way that time played out. Exactly. And like, it looks like it looks like things dissolve and kind of get rearranged in time, like in the physical reality and like around my energetic field, when I kind of like tap into that viewing of like, my, my human being at that moment in time, it's really wild.

Kat Guthrie:

I love that. I'm being reminded of Deborah Harkness, A Discovery of Witches. She's a witch, who is also a time traveler, and it's not exactly quite the same kind of thing. But I really like their concept of how time changes it's just that like, new details emerge in our understanding of history as to what a particular life or person did and I love that concept so much that it's exactly that same thing. What are the things that you heal in this Now moment, heal the things that happened in the past as they will heal with things that happen in the future.

Sophie Bauer:

Right, exactly. It's a completely different. It's a timeline shift. Yeah, absolutely.

Kat Guthrie:

So cool. Anyway.

Sophie Bauer:

I love time stuff.

Kat Guthrie:

Me too, it's crazy. Um, yeah. So then I guess the last example of thought forms that we wanted to talk about were our dads, both of our dads are in spirit. Sophie's passed away when you were 16?

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah, 16. Yeah, and mine was 19. Or I was 19. He was not 19, gross. And, and my dad, when he transitioned was a thought form initially, or there was a thought form version of him that I was talking to, basically. I didn't have any kind of spiritual practice back when he died. And I started to receive hints in the form of numbers, because numbers was always a big thing for me. So I started receiving number messages. And I was like, it's got to be my dad, I just, I want it to be my dad. And I eventually worked with a shaman at some point as I was along my spiritual journey, who said that my dad was still, you know, my dad was a ghost, and he was right there, and we should transition him. So we did, we also transitioned my husband at the same time, who passed away when I was 28. And so once we helped him transition, then the actual soul version of my dad came back into my life as like a spirit guide, basically, who is always with me now. He's just like, the best dad I have any concept of ever having had, since I only really have any concept of only having had one dad. But, you know, he was a thought form initially. And then through working with this shaman, we were able to transition him. And Sophie, do you remember what we said about your dad? What the guides said about your dad? First I want to have you clarify for the listeners, like what does that mean? Because like, that was something that was really confusing for me at first, like, what, how come they transition into a thought form when like, they are the soul? Like how come it's not just their essence is always a soul? Like, can you explain that a little more of like, why there's like a transition period of like a thought form and then being able to transition back into soul form.

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, so okay, so this is my guide, William, he's gonna tell us what's up. So, Kathryn, so what happened with your father is that he transitioned partway out of this life, but he did not want to leave without reuniting this thought through a thought form version of himself. He had externalized it during the course of his life, because again, it was too painful to contain the pain that he had inside of him entirely in his body. It was compartmentalization that he did to protect himself and to protect you and the rest of the family. But as he transitioned into a new non physical phase, he initially did not want to leave without this, leave, oh, to leave me leave me and my mother and my brother without some version of him. So instead of dragging, not dragging, but instead of kind of like reemerging, or instead of healing the thought form before he left, he left the thought form here so that we would have some version of him and kind of his human concept of what spirituality might be. And then he transitioned over to the other side. But the thought form version of him was still here. And so then he, we were left with this version of him, which when I spoke to him, you know, when I was when I like, got vague understandings of who this thing was that I was maybe talking to, in my head, it felt very much like the, like the externalized version of my dad. And I felt like during most of the course of the second half of my life with him, which was like from 11 to 19, I really didn't know who he was. So it was almost like I was just getting the his externalized version, which was the dad that I feel like I knew at that time, not the actual version.

Sophie Bauer:

You mean like the personality version?

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, the personality version of him.

Sophie Bauer:

So I have a question. Can I ask? So like, so this Okay, so the soul, it himself, and the thought form were still separated when he passed away, right? So like, you were just in communication with the thought form, and his soul was kind of off somewhere else. Yeah. And not until the thought form was united were you able to fully communicate with the soul?

Kat Guthrie:

That's right. Yeah. That's, he's saying that's right.

Sophie Bauer:

Cool cool cool. Okay. That makes more sense to me. Thank you for that.

Kat Guthrie:

You're welcome. I mean, I'm just discovering this now. So I'll probably also need to like, take some time to be like, What, wait, what? The spiritual information is never easy. Never totally digestible. But it doesn't happen this way for every soul as it transitions. Not every single one does this, you can sometimes reunite with your thought forms as you pass over, as you as you as you pass. But it's not common, is what he said,

Sophie Bauer:

Where does the soul go? Like, right away?

Kat Guthrie:

He just said, away.

Sophie Bauer:

Away! We just go away. Is that what William just said?

Kat Guthrie:

Yeah. We don't need to know more than that right now, it's just away.

Sophie Bauer:

Um, lol, okay. Well, I'm curious, William.

Kat Guthrie:

He says, I know Sophie! For those of you who I don't remember if we've talked about this yet on a podcast episode or not, but Sophie when she saw William in the, when I was when she and I were in person, she described him as a gay Viking. And I've never been so happy to, to know what any of my guides looked like.

Sophie Bauer:

He is a gay Viking! He's like, okay, okay. Have you if y'all have seen Brave, it's like Merida's dad, but like, gay version, okay. He's this big Viking guy. But he's a sassy motherfucker. Got that long, like flowy hair with his hat and the horns. A fur cape, obviously.

Kat Guthrie:

Obviously, we love capes. We love capes on this show. Just makes me so happy. So William is the one who's my primary guide and he's the one who's chatting with us right now about all this. But we also determined Sophie that your dad was a thought form for just like a little bit after he passed.

Sophie Bauer:

Right? Yeah, apparently so. And you know, actually, now that I think back on it, that makes a lot of sense. Can you are you able to get a timeline of like how long that was? That he was that I was communicating with a thought form before his actual soul?

Kat Guthrie:

Um, I always freak out about getting specific details. So hold on just a second people. Just they're saying he's just saying just a few weeks. Wasn't long. He was so determined to come back, to be with you. Yeah, I mean, seriously, this your dad is really impressive that he was just like, so he was not going to leave you all behind. His soul contract by coming to you as your dad was not going to be complete by just like peacing out, part of his contract was to come back to you all. So So yeah, it was just a couple of weeks. So you noticed that transition?

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I wasn't super turned on in my psychic abilities at that point, but like it was pretty strong. So like, basically what I'm able to discern, remembering is that, like the essence of it was almost different. Like there was more of a, like an energetic charge when when it was his soul versus the thought form, because it was more like, yeah, it was like you were saying like, it was more like the personality like, like I could visualize and I could feel like the personality aspect, but it was kind of like, dull, like in a like a vibrational sense. Yeah. And then once it was like his soul, it's like, you can you could feel like it was just a faster, higher vibration, just like brighter, more vibrant. A lot more depth, like emotional depth.

Kat Guthrie:

sense. I mean, it's a it's a soul versus not a soul.

Sophie Bauer:

Right? Yeah, that's super interesting. I hadn't even thought about that. Like, because I didn't, I didn't, I literally didn't know that until today. He was a thought form for a while. That is cool. I'm, I'm happy he came back so quickly. It was it was really important for my, my healing and my growth and all the things.

Kat Guthrie:

It was, he loves you and your family so much. It's pretty impressive.

Sophie Bauer:

Love you too daddy-o.

Kat Guthrie:

Daddy-o, he was like, never call me that again.

Sophie Bauer:

Lol did he actually? What the fuck? I used to call you that.

Kat Guthrie:

No no, he was he was joking, because when I thought of it, it was like I thought of it as like 1920s kind of like sexual and I was like, Whoa.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh rest in peace. Yeah, we're not doing that.

Kat Guthrie:

And I think he might have been saying it to me. Maybe not you I'm not sure.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh, that would make more sense. Kat, never call me that again. Yeah, see, that makes more sense. My dad's a jokester, so you can interpret it that way.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh my god. The jokes are never ending with your dad. He's amazing.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh my god.

Kat Guthrie:

And my dad is like, what about me? Like, I don't remember any of your jokes dad, I don't.

Sophie Bauer:

We should literally just have an episode where it's like the comedy show of our dads. That would be a good one.

Kat Guthrie:

They would like that a lot.

Sophie Bauer:

Let's do it. Let's do that next episode.

Kat Guthrie: Okay, next episode:

The dad's. The comedy dads. The dead comedy dads.

Sophie Bauer:

The daddy daughter comedy show.

Kat Guthrie:

The dead daddy daughter comedy show. There it is.

Sophie Bauer:

Oh my god! The dead daddy daughter comedy show. That's so grim.

Kat Guthrie:

I loved as soon as I found other people whose dads had died, I was like, Hey, we're part of the dead dad's club. I like I love my dark humor. It's the only way to get through.

Sophie Bauer:

I do too. Hey, you know, maybe this could be a TV show one day. I don't know, man. There could be a lot of money in this.

Kat Guthrie:

You you're in charge of it. You're gonna star in it. You're gonna produce it. It's all you man. I give you the rights.

Sophie Bauer:

Perfect. Okay, fantastic.

Kat Guthrie:

All right. Well, I think that's everything we had to say about thought forms today. Um, Sophie any parting

Sophie Bauer:

Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's it. Like, just get words? curious. Like, I think, again, like I'll just always discernment like, I always come back to that, like, just start kind of tuning in to the different energies that are around you and start paying attention to like, which ones are thought forms, especially the ones who are freaky, because that's a great healing opportunity for you and just remember to to wield your love when you're working with them, and you'll be able to transmute them the most effectively that way and yeah, there's no right or wrong, wrong way to do it. But just stay curious my little kittens.

Kat Guthrie:

I love it, couldn't couldn't say it better, just stay curious and do everything with love. At the end of the day, it all comes back to love and Yeah, what else is there?

Sophie Bauer:

What else is there? Where is the love? It's right here.

Kat Guthrie:

Oh god. On that note. Bye everyone, we love you.

Sophie Bauer:

Love you.